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More regulation needed for Canada oil sands

Reuters -- CALGARY, Alberta, March 17 - Steam-driven projects to extract crude from Canada's oil sands, often held up as more environmentally friendly than mining, have major drawbacks of their own that require more stringent regulation to fix, an environmental think tank said on Wednesday.

The Alberta-based Pembina Institute compared nine projects that employ "in situ" extraction methods -- where steam is pumped into the earth to liquefy the extra-heavy crude so it can be pumped to the surface -- and found all need to make improvements to varying degrees.

"The impacts of in situ have sort of been framed as low-impact oil sands development, but when you look at the data that isn't actually borne out," said Simon Dyer, one of the authors of the report, called "Drilling Deeper."

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Submitted Mar 17, 2010 By: Mudsprings

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Bus561 Champion Author Lexington Posts:11,477 Points:2,240,675 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 10:16:52 PM Ignore Bus561 Report Abuse More regulations, what a joke!
us4usa Champion Author Missouri Posts:1,135 Points:208,390 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 10:16:21 PM Ignore us4usa Report Abuse NEED SOME SMART ONES IN THE TANK TO FIX THIS
CobraLeader Champion Author New Jersey Posts:247,935 Points:1,133,750 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 10:14:18 PM Ignore CobraLeader Report Abuse ... Not just regulation, enforce it, or don't enact it! ...
LoneGuy Champion Author Lansing Posts:3,618 Points:1,356,150 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 10:13:37 PM Ignore LoneGuy Report Abuse If it were up to the enviromentalists we would have to sit at home and await the government check to arrive.
TBONE3 Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:3,875 Points:1,002,395 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 10:13:06 PM Ignore TBONE3 Report Abuse There's always room for improvement for anything. Think Tanks would not exist if they couldn't stir up some sort of potential problem.
rxman1 Champion Author Toledo Posts:4,340 Points:906,405 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 10:11:44 PM Ignore rxman1 Report Abuse With prices rising, more will be done in this area.
traindude Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:3,320 Points:782,225 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 10:10:46 PM Ignore traindude Report Abuse it's gotta be econcomical to make it work
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:7,976 Points:1,394,290 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 10:10:22 PM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse tree huggers unite
QueenMother Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:2,731 Points:1,221,300 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 10:07:12 PM Ignore QueenMother Report Abuse This is an interesting article to say the least.
Italianman All-Star Author Twin Cities Posts:941 Points:318,150 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 10:00:33 PM Ignore Italianman Report Abuse Screw the environment, all we care about is energy, right? I hope not!
CarrottopNe Champion Author Lincoln Posts:1,025 Points:367,365 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 9:59:40 PM Ignore CarrottopNe Report Abuse Regulations, Regulations.
DrCashFlow Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:2,439 Points:692,450 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 9:55:27 PM Ignore DrCashFlow Report Abuse way too much water in all its various forms needed to lift and extract oil. in the long run, water will likely be a much larger problem and scarce resource than collective forms of future energy.
oldiesman Champion Author New York Posts:1,647 Points:1,260,185 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 9:54:33 PM Ignore oldiesman Report Abuse That is Canadas problem.
jimgraham Champion Author Akron Posts:5,317 Points:1,003,700 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 9:52:54 PM Ignore jimgraham Report Abuse By whom? Local governments? Federal government? The UN??????
sillywagon Champion Author New York Posts:5,246 Points:527,495 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 9:51:22 PM Ignore sillywagon Report Abuse Regulations have benefits and costs. Too often only the benefits are seen and the costs are ignored costing both resources and jobs. It would be good if all regulations were audited to find out the cost to get the benefit. Then it could be seen if certain regulations should be eliminated because they have little benefit for a good amount of cost.
judgemobile Champion Author Ohio Posts:2,746 Points:1,485,985 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 9:48:36 PM Ignore judgemobile Report Abuse if any government puts in its TWO CENTS, the price goes WAY UP.
danreino Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:3,785 Points:675,095 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 9:47:00 PM Ignore danreino Report Abuse Need to play loud rock music so the migrating birds stay the hell away.
yanivbitton Rookie Author Toronto Posts:19 Points:16,605 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 9:46:38 PM Ignore yanivbitton Report Abuse interesting
RedRam2005 Champion Author San Antonio Posts:3,544 Points:601,275 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 9:45:14 PM Ignore RedRam2005 Report Abuse More regulation is seldom the answer to any question.
rollma2 All-Star Author Montreal Posts:655 Points:155,355 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 9:41:03 PM Ignore rollma2 Report Abuse interesting
MDTDriver Champion Author California Posts:4,958 Points:1,188,585 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 9:33:51 PM Ignore MDTDriver Report Abuse More money.
NavyStore Champion Author Seattle Posts:2,681 Points:1,184,325 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 9:20:58 PM Ignore NavyStore Report Abuse Tar sands are an ecological mess, so I'd agree.
justinoles All-Star Author Orlando Posts:855 Points:177,030 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 9:19:57 PM Ignore justinoles Report Abuse US clamors for less gov't regulation and Canada clamors for more gov't regulation, interesting...
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Lukus Champion Author Halifax Posts:3,484 Points:708,265 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 9:06:58 PM Ignore Lukus Report Abuse I think it is time to shut down all the oil sands projects. The water cost is too much.
TheSnowstorm Champion Author Montreal Posts:4,448 Points:1,002,605 Joined:June 2005	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 9:04:36 PM Ignore TheSnowstorm Report Abuse The tar sans hold much promise, but the technology required to get the oil out with a minimal environmental impact are still far off.
us4usa Champion Author Missouri Posts:1,135 Points:208,390 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 8:52:11 PM Ignore us4usa Report Abuse who paid for this article ????
netman044 Champion Author Texas Posts:3,844 Points:646,060 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 8:36:59 PM Ignore netman044 Report Abuse Oil sands have always been expensive to recover the oil from. So much of the financial and environmental cost depends on how deep the sands are and how much steam it takes to make the oil flow at that level.
sivart Champion Author Arkansas Posts:11,905 Points:2,101,030 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 8:35:25 PM Ignore sivart Report Abuse What's the real truth?
altima2008 Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:3,234 Points:766,035 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 8:31:23 PM Ignore altima2008 Report Abuse The price of oil will rise based on this news!
jb107 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:4,685 Points:1,644,235 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 8:30:43 PM Ignore jb107 Report Abuse Wat's the costofthis process?
BlueVanGroup Champion Author Colorado Posts:2,250 Points:573,385 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 8:26:53 PM Ignore BlueVanGroup Report Abuse "If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." --Ronald Reagan
OGW Champion Author London Posts:1,351 Points:669,665 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 8:24:39 PM Ignore OGW Report Abuse I have a relative who works in the tars sands in Alberta and he claims that they do need some new regulations. He said that they are killing a lot of wildlife by poisoning their water supply and several water bodies that had great fishing are now sess pools of dead fish and ducks. They used to be able to drink the water themselves when they first started working in the area but now they only drink bottled water that has been shipped in. His company was bought out by an American owner and he said they are worse and don't care about anything but money. The previous owner was much more cautious about the environment than the Americans.
revON Champion Author Toronto Posts:1,219 Points:643,900 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 8:18:49 PM Ignore revON Report Abuse and watch the up price oil.
WIPACKERFAN Champion Author Chicago Posts:3,937 Points:877,840 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 8:14:59 PM Ignore WIPACKERFAN Report Abuse This environmental thnak tank should stop thinking.
DellMan Champion Author Omaha Posts:1,917 Points:442,925 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 8:12:54 PM Ignore DellMan Report Abuse Both governments can't resist putting too many restrictions on oil processing.
afghaned Champion Author Hamilton Posts:4,346 Points:309,100 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 8:10:18 PM Ignore afghaned Report Abuse Amazing how we put road blocks up even when they may stop or slow the production of a needed product. It has been said in the past that it will be approximately ten years before ALL the upgrades to the project are in place. If someone is willing to splash the cash then they should step up or shut up!!!
RockCity Champion Author Denver Posts:2,717 Points:484,845 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 8:09:37 PM Ignore RockCity Report Abuse >The more you regulate the more it costs the consumer. From what I've seen, the opposite is true.
BBHybrid Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:2,623 Points:528,455 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 8:06:51 PM Ignore BBHybrid Report Abuse keep conserving!
TeachR06 Champion Author Raleigh Posts:3,535 Points:1,012,760 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 8:00:55 PM Ignore TeachR06 Report Abuse More alternatives to oil is what we need.
MinnesotaDJ Champion Author Minnesota Posts:1,211 Points:118,615 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 8:00:44 PM Ignore MinnesotaDJ Report Abuse Okay, still thinking....
DosEquis26 Champion Author Chicago Posts:1,932 Points:1,090,110 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 7:54:32 PM Ignore DosEquis26 Report Abuse alternatives ARE the best option.
DavoIL Veteran Author Chicago Posts:436 Points:332,705 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 7:44:11 PM Ignore DavoIL Report Abuse Do it carefully, but alternatives to fossil fuels is the best option!
PDQBlues Champion Author San Diego Posts:2,279 Points:502,325 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 7:42:05 PM Ignore PDQBlues Report Abuse These large corporations need regulations or else they'll easily pollute for profit.
RobRD Champion Author Alberta Posts:3,828 Points:896,020 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 7:42:04 PM Ignore RobRD Report Abuse The Alberta government doesn't care about the envirnmental consequences of drill for oil and gas as long they get their royalties. Poisoned wells and deformed animals are just the cost of business.
RAC110 Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:2,348 Points:1,162,660 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 7:41:35 PM Ignore RAC110 Report Abuse too much control and not found ways to improve the oil problems
LanguageMan1 Champion Author Tampa Posts:5,957 Points:689,370 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 7:37:55 PM Ignore LanguageMan1 Report Abuse I'm sure they'll regulate it more; and in some ways it's good. The less pollution the better and the safer the better concerning this. In other areas, the lawmakers just need to back-off of! [Edited by: LanguageMan1 at 3/17/2010 9:38:27 PM EST]
jjjleblanc Champion Author Rochester Posts:2,200 Points:622,930 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 7:35:38 PM Ignore jjjleblanc Report Abuse What's next?
lightbulbman2008 Champion Author Worcester Posts:43,245 Points:649,335 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 7:35:30 PM Ignore lightbulbman2008 Report Abuse more regulation=higher oil and pump prices.!!!!!
LGStas Veteran Author Atlanta Posts:322 Points:184,680 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 7:35:09 PM Ignore LGStas Report Abuse yea CANADA, hahahahahaaaa
heysailor Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:4,650 Points:1,355,070 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 7:34:27 PM Ignore heysailor Report Abuse History has proven time and time again that, unless carefully regulated, businesses leave behind nothing but a wasteland.
LGStas Veteran Author Atlanta Posts:322 Points:184,680 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Mar 17, 2010 7:34:20 PM Ignore LGStas Report Abuse wheres Yoda when we need his wisdom the most??!!